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Today I noticed someone stumbled upon my blog by googling "messy house and stressed mom". Doubtless, my blog was the first thing that popped up (as it should be!). It led me to some interesting thoughts, such as, Why is it when someone sees that a part of (or many parts of) your life are out of control, they feel it gives them permission to rescue you with their advice? I'm not talking about the well-intentioned and comforting exchange of supportive ideas that many women indulge in. I'm talking about the uninformed, judgmental and ignorant things people say in the effort to be "helpful".
I've had some doozies of unsolicited advice over the years (I think I must have a sign on my forehead that reads: too dumb to live). Below is a list of some of those that pop immediately to mind.
"You just have to walk away and leave her no matter how much she cries! If you don't, she'll never be independent of you." This from a friend who felt that I should do the cold turkey thing with my clingy five year old the first day of kindergarten. A few days of being sensitive to my child's feelings did the trick and she is now a very independent 14 year old, thank you very much!
"Why don't you just toss the kids into the car and go for a drive so you can talk in peace?" Said by a much loved and, more to the point, childless therapist. Fifteen years and five kids later, she knows better.
"Why don't you hire a babysitter so you can go?" There are no words--except for these. Don't you think we would have done that in half a heartbeat if there weren't dozens of reasons why that wouldn't work?
And later: "Aren't the kids old enough for you to leave them alone by now?" Not for longer than it takes to run a few errands and never at night and not if we are somewhere we can't be contacted in an emergency--not if we don't want to come home to blood on the floor. (Some people think I'm exaggerating about this but it could happen. It COULD!) (Okay, it's not incredibly likely these days but when you spend two long months waiting for an opening at the psychiatrist's office and meds to kick in while trying to prevent your suicidal/homicidal son from harming anyone, you never forget. So, call me over-anxious--I can take it.)
"You just have to tell him to go on the potty, and he'll go!" This helpful person took it a step further and did it himself by whispering in the ear of my five year old developmentally delayed, cerebral palsied, overly anxious and chronically dizzy son. Now, why didn't I think of that?!?!?!? (And, um, it didn't work. Having a baby sister come into his life, did.)
"Here's a list of ideas I came up with to help you because people in your difficult circumstances have a hard time thinking of solutions." Umm . . . that's pretty much ALL we do because the matters at hand are URGENT. STAT. On fire as we speak! (Sheez!)
"The way to avoid getting sick is to eat right and to stay away from people who are sick." So . .. that means I can come and stay at your house when the people at my house are sick, right? (And please serve nutritious meals while I'm there.)
"You can't let her quit! It will damage her for life!" From the mother of another student in my daughter's ballet class. In fact, letting her quit delayed her perfectionism/depression/anxiety-driven nervous breakdown by about two years which was, sadly, still two years sooner than her psychiatrist was willing to address it with meds due to her extreme youth.
"Be brave and accept the {anonymous} criticism from others so that you know how to help your boy!" The epitome of gall. Unless it's this one--"You have to have more faith!" If I had a nickle . . . or even a penny! But, hey, if you have a chronic illness that involves a lot of pain and fatigue and lack of sleep and causes you to be intolerant to exercise and many healthy foods and if your husband suffers from depression and anxiety and your daughter does too and so does your son only you will need to add bipolar disorder, cerebral palsy, brain damage and learning disablities to his list, and your kids are highly intelligent (a challenge all its own!) and super sensitive and you have spent inordinate amounts of time consulting with doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists, therapists, teachers, school administrators, and behavioral therapists, and have had to endure having your children damaged by some of these professionals, not once, but numerous times, and deal with issues such as poverty, unemployment, infertility and isolation AND your cupboards look like a pharmacy, then CALL ME! You just might have learned something that applies to my personal situation that I have not.
I sound bitter, don't I? But that's only because I am (at times). Years of this kind of thing has made holes in my heart because, as you can imagine, when your challenges are not typical, the ignorance and unsolicited advice multiplies. By the same token, the support and acts of kindness shrink because the challenges are mostly invisible, non-relatable and scary. Some even convince themselves that you are not deserving of their kind words or acts of support because you must have somehow brought this clutch of challenges on yourself and therefore deserve them (thereby disqualifying their virtuous selves from ever having to endure such a load of trials).
However, I am far from being the only one on the receiving end of this kind of unwanted guidance. (In fact, I have often been on the giving end of this scenario, much to my chagrin.) What is the most galling bit of unsolicited advice YOU ever received?

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50 wise, witty and wonderful comments

How about, "If you do what you're supposed to, you'll get married." Right---care to tell me what I've been doing wrong the past 25 years?

November 5, 2009 10:26 AM

Barb--that would totally burn me up!

November 5, 2009 10:28 AM

We have all been recipients and givers of unsolicited, well meaning advice at times. It helps me to try to remember that they only mean the best, but it still burns me up, too.

November 5, 2009 10:37 AM

Opinions are like butts...

I love you, Heids.

November 5, 2009 10:38 AM

I was blessed to *finally* find a wonderful eternal companion in my mid-thirties, but like Barbaloot, encountered a veritable plethora of so called encouragement during my single years. I think my favorite was the woman who pointed out that throughout history there had been many thousands of men who had died in wars without ever getting married, and they would need wives in the eternities, so maybe I was meant for one of them.

November 5, 2009 10:49 AM

LT--you are so funny! 2busy--sometimes it hurts more than other times. I don't agree that people always mean well. I think that sometimes they are motivated by less virtuous things. However, it's not for us to judge (it still stinks, though!)

November 5, 2009 10:51 AM

Pam--holy cow!!! That's a real doozy!

November 5, 2009 10:51 AM

My daughter has multiple food allergies and many eating issues related to her sensory processing disorder. One day my MIL sent me an e-mail telling me that my daughter (at the age of six) was incapable of deciding what she wanted to eat for lunch, (oh really? And that's why she's been telling me what she wanted for lunch for two years now?) and then proceeded to educate me on the four food groups (my dad has a PhD in wholistic nutrition and I edited the book he wrote about it) and tell me how to make a menu for her, etc. etc. I tried not to be upset, but I was. I have thoughts about how she feeds her husband, too, but I never share them with her!

November 5, 2009 10:57 AM

I guess I should be grateful my MIL refrains from giving advice... it could have all been like some you have been given! Still, I have had others give me crazy words like these on occasion. I can't recall the craziest piece of advice, but I do remember a friend telling me (re: potty training) to just tell my son to use the toilet and he would. She realized after having a few more kids that the luck she had with her oldest was not necessarily true for all kids.

November 5, 2009 11:00 AM

Melissa, that would be SO hard! What are people thinking? Becky--not one of the given examples was from my mother in law. She probably had to bite her tongue until it was bloody, but she did it. My parents, too.

November 5, 2009 11:24 AM

I feel for you Heidi...
My MIL (dang, didn't want to do a MIL one but that's all I had on the fly!)told me my 9 month old was going to have developmental problems because we 'allowed' him to walk before he learned to crawl. 9 years later I get great satisfaction out of proving that theory wrong.
I am guilty of being a solution oriented listener and giving advice when it wasn't necessarily asked for. Thanks for the reminder that if we haven't been there then our two bits don't really add up to much!

November 5, 2009 11:34 AM

"I have it worse than you." That was the WORST advice ever given to me!!! Ever, ever. Or this one, "Just wait, he'll outgrow it." *shaking head* I know some were trying to help the situation, but still. Not great advice.

November 5, 2009 11:46 AM

Megz, I am pretty sure I am going to have a hard time being a MIL. sigh. . . Carolyn--I believe SO strongly in mommy intuition. Most moms know when there is something not average or typical about their child.

November 5, 2009 11:49 AM

When I had my third child, I had a friend who would constantly come to my house who was newly wed, no kids of her own giving me advice on how to care for my son.

Being sleep deprived, I was a bit irritable and my house constantly looked like a tornado went through it...her advice as though she was an expert when my baby was screaming his head off because he was colicky.."you know it would help if you pick him and walk around the room"..oh sure because I haven't been doing that for the last three freaking hours. She seems to think I was new at the colick thing, the two older kids had gone through the same thing..sheesh.

Or "you look terrible, how about napping when the baby sleep?" Ok sure, but are you going to take my other two kids who hardly ever naps in the daytime so I can sleep when the baby sleeps? Another one of her most annoying that made me just want to punch her teeth out.."why don't get your two little girls together and sing a clean up song with them while cleaning up your house?" Hello, do I look like I'm in the singing mood?

Sorry Heidi, this just totally brings back some sour memories. I can't understand people who've never experience anything another person is going through to have the audacity to give advice.

November 5, 2009 11:58 AM

Anjeny, don't be sorry! People who say the kinds of things that woman said to you are not trying to help--they are trying to feel better about themselves at your expense. (I have to admit, I had more erroneous ideas about kids before I had them than after. I think that's pretty natural.)

November 5, 2009 12:06 PM
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I homeschool my dyslexic son. He didn't learn to read until he was 12. I can't even repeat some of the 'advice' given me, but I'll bet you can all think of a few. And that's kinda sad, dontcha think?
Chelsea

November 5, 2009 2:01 PM

I'm struggling to think of specific examples (I try very hard to forget this kind of thing) but 'helpful' suggestions like "stop worrying so much" and "you're being irrational" spring to mind. Generally I know when I'm overreacting... that doesn't stop me doing it, so telling me to stop probably won't do the trick, either.

November 5, 2009 2:07 PM

Ugh. I can not even imagine having the GALL to give someone advice when I have never been in their situation. In fact, I feel so strongly about that that I go too far the other way, and don't say anything at all, like not attending a funeral because I just don't know what to say. I'm sure it's just as bad - but in a different way.

I'm so sorry you've been the victim of such thoughtlessness!!

November 5, 2009 2:36 PM

I tend to be an advice giver. I inherited it from my mom. But I try to preface my advice with something like, "I know you didn't ask for this so feel free to ignore it if it doesn't apply". I am also working very hard on keeping my mouth shut when I've not been through their situation. It really does no good.

The only thing that comes to mind is when we were going through bankruptcy and people would ask us if we really had to do it.

I usually have to end up telling the whole story with all the steps that led us to it. It's not a place I ever want to go again and we really did try to avoid it. I promise.

Bleh.

November 5, 2009 2:53 PM

As a recovering chronic unsolicited advice giver, I appreciate what you've said here because it's a good reminder. I mostly make this mistake with my siblings. I never force my great ideas on strangers. I still love to give advice, but I'm learning to wait until people ask for it.

And what I think you should do when this happens again is ... I'm KIDDING!!

November 5, 2009 4:10 PM

Eowyn, I feel your pain. Steph--I think a lot of people have a hard time staying quiet with their younger siblings and I (as someone with five older siblings) guess that's more understandable than when done by people who don't share blood (tho possibly more hurtful when it implies that you don't know how to manage your life).

November 5, 2009 4:31 PM

Heidi,

For some reason we all think that we must solve all the worlds problems, (and some of us actually think that we can). but for my own experience, I have given more unsolicited advise then I could ever receive and your post has reminded me of this shortcomimg.

My only comment would be- Maybe we should all remember that the best thing we can do in a situation like this is to say 'How can I help' and leave it at that.
Roxanne

See, I did it again, more unsolicited advise

November 5, 2009 4:36 PM

Roxanne, I totally agree with you. Asking, how can I help is a great response to most any problem.

November 5, 2009 5:01 PM

My favorite is when people tell me I need to just relax. That's probably the one I love the most.

November 5, 2009 5:32 PM

I relate completely. I've had my own crisis the last couple of years, dealing with the trauma I suffered as a child. I've had a lot of anxiety and depression. Then, recently, I've been trying to get the church to be proactive and take care of some things with the awful offender. They really didn't care. I was devestated. I went through a crisis of faith. I had so many people tell me that it's the gospel we believe in, not the people. Then they go on to tell me about someone in their ward who offended them or some other such minor thing. Ummm...hello? When the first presidency makes a decision that is devestating, it's NOT just some random people in the church. I am allowed to question my faith when something like that happens, thank you very much!

I also heard from people, like you, that I should have more faith. I was told that I need to serve more and forget about myself.

Man, sometimes I hate all the standard answers people throw out in our church. They really have no idea what they are talking about when you are dealing with something life altering.

November 5, 2009 5:44 PM

When I said "I heard from people, like you,...", I really meant, "like you, I heard people tell me..." I realized that it sounded like I was accusing you of telling me to have more faith. :) Not what I meant, obviously.

November 5, 2009 5:46 PM

Heather--you sweetie with your postive way of saying that! Alyson, thanks for clearing that up b/c I did know a moment of fear there for second. (Did I do THAT?) I totally understand why it would be so hard to get that kind of decision from the tippiest top. I'm so sorry!

November 5, 2009 6:42 PM

Just so you know, your wit still comes through even when you're upset.

My favourite is my mother-in-law suggesting I get my tubes tied during my c-section next week since it's all been so scary and totally not WORTH it. Umm...yeah. Fortunately I just found it hilarious for some reason and I'm still giggling about it.

I try to see the motive behind the advice. Is it being given out of genuine (but misguided) concern, or out of the person's need to feel clever?

I wish people were gentler and more thoughtful, and humble enough to realize that they just don't know enough about your life to intrude like that. I hope I can remember that and not be like the people you quoted in this post, though I know at some point in time, alas, I probably have been, to someone anyway!

November 5, 2009 8:04 PM

Just so you know, your wit still comes through even when you're upset.

My favourite is my mother-in-law suggesting I get my tubes tied during my c-section next week since it's all been so scary and totally not WORTH it. Umm...yeah. Fortunately I just found it hilarious for some reason and I'm still giggling about it.

I try to see the motive behind the advice. Is it being given out of genuine (but misguided) concern, or out of the person's need to feel clever?

I wish people were gentler and more thoughtful, and humble enough to realize that they just don't know enough about your life to intrude like that. I hope I can remember that and not be like the people you quoted in this post, though I know at some point in time, alas, I probably have been, to someone anyway!

November 5, 2009 8:04 PM

I almost started crying when you said that some people think that you deserve all of the challenges that you have been given. You deserve them? I cannot continue in this vein. It may get ugly.

honestly, the worst advice anyone has ever given me is that the baby won't wake up in the middle of the night if he sleeps in bed with us. While this may work for some people, this does NOT work for my children. And I get sick of hearing it.

November 5, 2009 8:34 PM

I can't believe some of the advice you're getting. I'd like to slap of those people. (As would you, I'm sure.)

Recently, I've been most annoyed with all the "helpful" advice I get on managing my headaches. "Drink more water" is the most common one. Wow. Like I hadn't thought of THAT one--and tried it 6 years ago and many times since.

I actually had someone warn me that chronic headaches could be a sign of something serious so I should probably get an MRI. It was all I could do not to sit down and give them my entire medical history (which includes TWO MRIs and plenty of other crap, including my first migraine at the age of 6, thank you very much, so shut the heck up).

November 5, 2009 9:32 PM

I think I'll just stick to giving HUGS and not advice. Unless I have had ANY experience at all in that person's situation I have no business saying much of anything.

All of that just sounds so hurtful.

wanna hug

November 5, 2009 9:58 PM
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November 5, 2009 9:58 PM

When I was called as RS pres years ago I got advice about how to be a kinder person. That I had to be more compassionate, and here's how...

I really felt insulted. Like I wasn't a nice person naturally so it was time for me to be FORCED into kindness...

I am sorry you have felt so misunderstood. I won't even pretend to get the tough things you have to deal with.

November 5, 2009 11:01 PM

(hugs) to you, Heidi. I think that so many people have no idea, NO IDEA, what another's trials are really like, and they think they have all the answers. Someday they'll learn it's not quite as easy as that.

The main one in my life has been all the advice I get when I'm pregnant and dying. I am usually admitted to the hospital a few times, and am mostly in bed and can't function at all because I throw up 20+ times a day and lose 25 pounds, etc. etc. And yet, people tell me that they KNOW that if I just ate ginger or smelled lemons or got more sleep or exercised that the "nausea" and "morning sickness" would all just go away. Annoying as it was, I realized they were speaking from their own experiences which were nowhere near as dire as mine.

During my pregnancies I learned to REALLY appreciate the friends and family who took my issues at face value and did everything in their power to make my life easier during that time. And refrained from the advice giving. :)

November 6, 2009 6:11 AM

Before I had kids I thought some parents just didn't control their children...Now I know some kids just have their own personalities!

Also, as far as advice, I agree with Lara that my deathbed pregnancies are a great time for getting advice on how to be well. I know someone who insists that if I drink special water and rub it into my feet, I'll be fine. (Actually, I let her rub it into my feet, and it turns out I WASN'T fine.)

November 6, 2009 7:00 AM

Kim--I think we all give thoughtless advice at times--I think the time that it hurts is when we know that it is coming from a less than pure place, like a need to feel better about oneself at our expense or a superiority complex or hidden resentment or b/c they think we are not bright enough or can't figure it out for ourselves or not being patient enough with us to give us the time and space to do just that or simply not approving of us and our choices. When someone really wishes the best for us and that is their sole motivation, it isn't irritating or hurtful (at least, that's where I'm coming from). I admire you for having a sense of humor about your MIL. It would be hard for me. Rachel--no one has ever actually said that to me--it's just an implication that comes along with some of the things that people DO say or their lack of supportive action. I'm surprised so many people pester you about letting the baby sleep with you--we never got any sleep that way even if the baby did. Annette--I can see how much worse that kind of thing would be on TOP of a chronic migraine. Ouch! I hope it gets better soon! Ah, Wendy, thanks! It does seem kind of unfair to do that to someone who is already struggling but it happens. Kazzy--I am utterly shocked. Utterly! How degrading (and not needful!!) Lara and Jessica--I don't know how you manage to endure those kinds of pregnancies. I don't think I could do that. It kind of blows the mind to think that anyone would believe you would willingly feel that awful if there was a workable solution at hand. It's true that there are things that can be helpful for some people which one might be ignorant of--wouldn't it be great to make a suggestion that would help someone you love?--but when you're THAT sick, surely you have exhausted every resource.

November 6, 2009 9:08 AM

Oh boy, I could go on and on...my MIL gives advice pretty much every day. The kind that makes my skin crawl.

I love your response, your listing of what you've got on your plate and had on your plate over many years, because no one knows BUT YOU. And we need to say that sometimes, especially someone like you that has had more than her fair share of trials. (Get it all off your chest, I mean) People do judge and they don't think before they speak and it just doesn't help...it hurts. A lot. And I'm sorry.

November 6, 2009 1:18 PM

Oh and p.s. Is is really you sending me an ecard? I keep getting this email with a strange "from" and the subject is "ecard from Heidi Ashworth" I was afraid to open it because I thought someone might be using your name with spam. I hope they aren't. And if it's really from you, then I'd be happy to open it. :)

November 6, 2009 1:19 PM

Umm, that I should *not* have breast fed my 4 children, including tandem nursing my twins. That I did it for too long, that it made me tired (waking up makes me tired!), crazy, etc.

I did it b/c it was easier for me than formula, go figure. And while I did it, I bonded with my children in ways that bound them to my soul. Completely. {Thanks for the advice, grandma, but no thanks.}

Sorry that people are not always kind. That sucks. I tried reaching out to a friend (erm, x-friend) of mine who has a son with brain abnormalities. No matter how hard I tried to love her, I never felt like it was enough. I would've kept trying except she shut the door of friendship on me. Firmly. Ouch.

I hope for more understanding people to enter your life, for tact (on their part) and for strength on yours.

November 6, 2009 2:29 PM

Here we go: My mother-in-law told me, when I was unexpectedly pregnant as a just-married and completely broke 25 year old, that if I REALLY loved my husband, I'd have an abortion.
True story! The kid is ten now, and beloved.

November 7, 2009 6:43 AM

And I thought I had good examples...wow people are just plain morons sometimes...myself included. My mother recently called me to inform me that she noticed I don't spend enough time with my 21 month-old and 3.5 year-old daughters...this 7 days after giving birth to twins by c-section. So...yeah...I've been a little overwhelmed lately to say the least. And all I needed on top of all that was to feel a little more guilty about not being supermom. ~Erin

November 7, 2009 9:05 AM

My most recent was....You're not going to die you know.

I knew I wasn't going to die. I was just letting my mom know that I had a serious health problem. She then went on to lecture me for 20 minutes before I told her I needed to go. For some reason she made a comment to my sister that she didn't think the conversation didn't go well. I didn't get to converse. So, no, it didn't go well.

Love you Heidi. Sorry you have so much on your plate to deal with.

November 7, 2009 12:18 PM

I must say that you address this with aplomb and dignity. I'm not sure I could do it without a complete and utter meltdown of huge proportions.

Worst advice? After my first miscarriage, the nurse told me that it was "natures" way of taking care of problems. Like that helped me considering I was a hormonal mess. And to be told that five more times was not helpful, at all. Of course, that whole "If you had more faith" was enough to make me go insane, literaly. I almost stopped going to church, but luckily there were a few who supported me without all the crappy advice. Too bad they don't always out weigh the negative ones.

November 7, 2009 5:29 PM

My MIL constantly gives advice on how I could be a better housekeeper and therefore make her son happier.

I chose to ignore her advice and quit inviting her over. It is amazing how all that nagging just disapeared.

November 8, 2009 6:25 AM

I often worry that I am the person guilty of giving unsolicited advice. I try, oh I try, to keep it to myself. But I just can't help it sometimes!
Having said that, I know how rude and frustrating that advice can be.

November 9, 2009 9:05 AM

Oh my goodness! That was fun. And I lub the part about how you have a sign on your forehead that says "too dumb to live." And you're not even blond. Neither am I, but I just learned that dumb people have more fun.

November 9, 2009 7:40 PM

PS: You rock. Just wanted to say thanks for your comments on my blog today about finding balance & all that jazz. Your words brought tears to my eyes. {True story.}

November 9, 2009 10:47 PM

Oh advice givers. I'm a pretty go with the flow (for my life anyway) sorta person so I'm not a fan of people stepping in without being asked. Thats a big pet peeve of mine.

That and when people make 'innocent' comments disguised as concern. Like "You look like you just woke up are you feeling ok?" Honestly how am I supposed to respond to that. I actually felt great but thanks for shooting down my confidence today.

November 14, 2009 9:36 PM

I can't really think of any dumb advice I have had, I give to many in's for people to give their advice. But one thing I am totally grateful for are the challenge that I have now, because it has helped me be a lot less critical of others. I hope I wasn't too critical in my earlier years, but I for sure try to be understanding when other people's kids are crazy in church, oh wait, those aren't other peoples kids, those are MY kids!!
I love you!!!

Oh wait, I just thought of one. Will rode in someone's car on a feildtrip last year. When I asked the mom how it went, she went ahead and told me how horrible he was, how awful he behaved and that he will never ride in her car again. Then when it looked like I was going to cry she said, "oh, my oldest son was just like that, you just need to implement the parenting with love and logic idea."
So you have a son just like that, and you ripped me up and down for my son, Man, I was so mad after that.
xoxox

November 16, 2009 10:53 AM

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